Shiva purana: says shiva was always there, he created Vishnu, and Vishnu who was immersed in the extreme heat and power of shiva, started emitting water like a squirt gun😂 he than rested on the water with the instructions if shiva. Than a lotus emerged from his navel, and shiva created Bhrama, who than sits in the lotus, where he questions who his creator is. Trying to find his creator, he goes down the lotus. But still can’t find anything. He than goes up again and suddenly Vishnu appears. Vishnu than says I am your creator. Bhrama disagrees which leads to argument. Note: there is a huge beam of fire that goes in for infinity which is supposedly “shiva.” In the “linga”form. So one of them travels up the beam, and the second travels down However in Vishnu scriptures, Vishnu created shiva and Bhrama. And he is the supreme lord. Also shiva. The supreme “god” in scriptures say that when Vishnu instructed Bhrama to create the universe with the lotus. Bhrama divided 3 lotus parts. One was the heavens, 2nd was the earth, 3rd was the skies. And bhrama wants to populate the earth with more species. So he split himself into a make and a female. Some he would be a male cow and a female cow and mate, and make a baby So in one scripture they state shiva is the ultimate god, and in another they state Vishnu is. https://vedkabhed.com/index.php/2019/11/19/contradictions-in-the-vedas/ The Bhagavad Gita Denounces the Vedas If both scriptures are from a divine source then we would expect them to be in alignment with each other. However what we see is that The Gita goes ahead and denounces the Vedas openly by naming them as the source of the problem of wishes and desires For example, Gita 2/42-44 says: 42 याम इमां पुष्पितां वाचं परवदन्त्य अविपश्चितः वेदवादरताः पार्थ नान्यद अस्तीति वादिनः 43 कामात्मानः सवर्गपरा जन्मकर्मफलप्रदाम करियाविशेषबहुलां भॊगैश्वर्यगतिं परति 44 भॊगैश्वर्यप्रसक्तानां तयापहृतचेतसाम वयवसायात्मिका बुद्धिः समाधौ न विधीयते “Men of small knowledge are very much attached to the flowery words of the Vedas, which recommend various fruitive activities for elevation to heavenly planets, resultant good birth, power, and so forth. Being desirous of sense gratification and opulent life, they say that there is nothing more. In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence, and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination for devotional service to the Supreme Lord does not take place.” ——- As we can see, people who are attached to the FLOWERY WORDS of the Vedas are being ridiculed as अविपश्चितः or of low intellect. Futher Gita 2/45-46 says: 45 तरैगुण्यविषया वेदा निस्त्रैगुण्यॊ भवार्जुन निर्द्वन्द्वॊ नित्यसत्त्वस्थॊ निर्यॊगक्षेम आत्मवान 46 यावान अर्थ उदपाने सर्वतः संप्लुतॊदके तावान सर्वेषु वेदेषु बराह्मणस्य विजानतः “The Vedas deal mainly with the subject of the three modes of material nature. O Arjuna, become transcendental to these three modes. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the self. To the Brahmin who has known the Self, all the Vedas are of as much as is a reservoir of water in a place where there is a flood.” Further, Gita 2/53 lays a more brutal attack on the Vedas in the following words: श्रुतिविप्रतिपन्ना ते यदा सथास्यति निश्चला समाधाव अचला बुद्धिस तदा यॊगम अवाप्स्यसि “When your mind is no longer disturbed by the flowery language of the Vedas, and when it remains fixed in the trance of self-realization, then you will have attained the divine consciousness.” The implication of the verse is that the FLOWERY LANGUAGE of the Vedas disturbs the mind of a person. Therefore intelligent people should avoid the Vedas. ——— Further the Gita reveals the inferiority of the teachings of the Vedas in the chapter 9 verses 20 and 21 as follows: 20 त्रैविद्या मां सॊमपाः पूतपापा; यज्ञैर इष्ट्वा सवर्गतिं परार्थयन्ते ते पुण्यम आसाद्य सुरेन्द्रलॊकम; अश्नन्ति दिव्यान दिवि देवभॊगान 21 ते तं भुक्त्वा सवर्गलॊकं विशालं; कषीणे पुण्ये मर्त्यलॊकं विशन्ति एवं तरयीधर्मम अनुप्रपन्ना; गतागतं कामकामा लभन्ते “”Those who study the Vedas and drink the soma juice, seeking the heavenly planets, worship Me indirectly. Purified of sinful reactions, they take birth on the pious, heavenly planet of Indra, where they enjoy godly delights. When they have thus enjoyed vast heavenly sense pleasure and the results of their pious activities are exhausted, they return to this mortal planet again. Thus those who seek sense enjoyment by adhering to the principles of the three Vedas achieve only repeated birth and death.” The clear implication is that Vedas are useless in achieving eternal salvation and Moksha i.e liberation from the cycles of death and birth, which is the ultimate aim of an individual, according to popular Hinduism. Continuing the tirade against the Vedas, Krishna says in Gita 8/28: वेदेषु यज्ञेषु तपःसु चैव; दानेषु यत पुण्यफलं परदिष्टम अत्येति तत सर्वम इदं विदित्वा; यॊगी परं सथानम उपैति चाद्यम “A person who accepts the path of devotional service is not bereft of the results derived from studying the Vedas, performing austere sacrifices, giving charity or pursuing philosophical and fruitive activities. Simply by performing devotional service, he attains all these, and at the end he reaches the supreme eternal abode.” ——- The implication of the verse is that the knowledge of the Gita is superior to the knowledge of the Vedas. The blunt critique of the Vedas continues when Krishna says in Gita 11/48: न वेद यज्ञाध्ययनैर न दानैर; न च करियाभिर न तपॊभिर उग्रैः एवंरूपः शक्य अहं नृलॊके; दरष्टुं तवदन्येन कुरुप्रवीर “O best of the Kuru warriors, no one before you has ever seen this universal form of Mine, for neither by studying the Vedas, nor by performing sacrifices, nor by charity, nor by pious activities, nor by severe penances can I be seen in this form in the material world.” Clearly, Krishna is claiming that the study of Vedas is useless in reaching God. This type of critique of the Vedas is not even done by the Naastiks (atheists). Let me suggest an experiment to my readers. Try quoting the meaning of the above verses of Gita to a believer of Vedas and note his/her reaction. You should not be shocked if you hear some uncomfortable words or abuses. Then you can reavel to the Vedic believer that these tributes to the Vedas are actually given in the Gita. For example, tell a Hindu the following: “God cannot be reached by the study of Vedas. Those people who are attached too much to the flowery words of the Vedas are fools and people of low intellect.” Then see the reaction and ultimately reveal to them that these are not your words but the words of Shri Krishna in the Gita. —————— Are Wishes and Desires Good? (a) According to the Vedas, Yes! 👇 At several places in the Vedas, emphasis is laid on desires and wishes. In many verses desires and wishes are expressed and prayers are made to fulfill the wishes. For example Yajurveda 40/2 mentions: कुर्वन्नेवेह कर्माणि जिजीविषेच्छतँ समाः। एवं त्वयि नान्यथेतोऽस्ति न कर्म लिप्यते नरे॥ One, only doing Karma here, should wish to live a hundred years. No way is there for you but this. So Karma cleaves not to man. Yajurveda 40/16 says: अग्ने नय सुपथा राये अस्मान् By goodly path lead us to riches, Agni, you God who knows all our works and wisdom. —— Atharvaved 14/2/38 says: तां पूषञ्छिवतमामेरयस्व यस्यां बीजं मनुष्या वपन्ति या न ऊरू उशती विक्षयाति यस्यामुशन्तः प्रहरेम शेपः O Men, you are the strengthener. You inspire into this lady well-wisher of you and your family, the spirit of procreating children. The woman is such an entity in whom the men sow semen-seed, who desiring progeny spreads her thigh towards her husband, and in whom the husband like you and us thrust the organ with the desire of children. [Translation Acharya Vaidya Nath Shastri, Published by Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha] Atharvaveda 7/76/6 says: धृषत पिब कलशे सोममिन्द्र वृत्रहा शूर समरे वसूनाम् | माध्यन्दिने सवना आ वृषस्व रयिष्ठानो रयिमस्मासु धेहि || “O Indra; you are fearless bold and the destroyer of all obstacles coming in the war of wordly affairs. Please protect Soma, the soul who is residing in your pitcher, the body and shower upon us your blessings in all the time of noon when we perform Yajna. You are the master of all wealth and so grant us riches.” [Translation Acharya Vaidya Nath Shastri, Published by Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha] One can produce a long list of such mantras where material desires and wishes are expressed. —— (b) According to the Bhagavad Gita, No! 👇 In contrast to this the Gita denouces keeping desires and expressing them. It vehemently ridicules those who pray to God for fulfillment of desires. For example, Gita 2/47 says: मा कर्मफलहेतुर्भूः “let not the fruits of action be your motive” Gita 2/49 says: दूरेण हय अवरं कर्म बुद्धियॊगाद धनंजय बुद्धौ शरणम अन्विच्छ कृपणाः फलहेतवः “O Dhananjaya, indeed, action is quite inferior to the yoga of wisdom. Take resort to wisdom. Those who thirst for rewards are pitiable.” This denouces the Vedic prayers as pitiable. Gita 3/19 says: तस्माद असक्तः सततं कार्यं कर्म समाचर असक्तॊ हय आचरन कर्म परम आप्नॊति पूरुषः “Therefore without attachment, do you always perform action which should be done; for by performing action without attachment man reaches the Supreme.” These blatant contradictions between the teachings of the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita. One encourages works in order to seek rewards and the other talks of Nishkaama Karma or works without seeking rewards. _ Many Learned Hindus Admit that the Gita and the Vedas Contradict Each Other There are fundamental contradictions between the Gita and the Vedas. A logical Hindu cannot accept both scriptures simultaneously unless he becomes intellectually dishonest. One of these scriptures has to be rejected. This mission has been carried forward by a militant group called Arya Samaj. They understood these contradictions between both scriptures and tried many methods to discredit the Bhagvad Gita or bring it in compatibility with the Vedas. For example, Pandit Bhimsen Sharma, the disciple of Swami Dayanand Saraswati, brought these inconsistencies to the attention of the people. According to his logic, the God as depicted in the Vedas is formless but the God of Gita is with form; a certain man named Krishna, which is a contradiction. Hence, whatever shlokas in the Gita which he thought were contradicting with the Vedic conception of God, were taken out from the Gita by him. The numnber of shlokas, according to him, which are interpolated in the Gita are 238. —- Another Arya Samajist, Swami Atmanand Saraswati has published a Gita called ‘VEDIC GITA‘ from Gurukul Jhajjar. In this version he has claimed that Bhagvad Gita is not completely correct. Many shlokas have been interpolated in it which are anti Vedic. Therefore, he took out all such shlokas which he thought were anti Vedic and published this PURE Vedic Gita. Even whole chapters liek chapter 7 and chapter 15 of Gita have been taken out by Swami Atmanand Saraswati. Another scholar of Arya Samaj’s Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Acharya Vaidhyanath Shastri writes in the preface of his book Gita Vivechan: “There is no doubt that Gita rejects the Vedas and Vedic principles. It contains many teachings opposed to the Vedas. A book which compares divine Vedas to a small pit of water and claims that the Vedas teach nothing but three modes of material nature, how can we accept such a book?” Now the choice is with the followers of Hinduism to take a decision in favour of either of these two scriptures because both cannot be accepted simutaneously without making necessary amendments.